Issue 83: Surfing on a Blockchain Couch-Island
From Serial Marketer: "The Cutting Edge of Marketing”

Do you still need to care about blockchain? Or the blockchain? Or a blockchain?

Serial Marketers hosted blockchain expert Jeremy Epstein, also of Never Stop Marketing fame, for a candid Q&A session last week. Below, you’ll find some highlights, with the full thread in the Serial Marketers #events channel.

Jeremy is one of the first people I knew who cared about blockchain and cryptocurrency. He somehow manages to care regardless of what Bitcoin’s price is on a given day, so there’s always plenty to learn from him.

The conversation led me to set up my account with my blockchain-integrated Brave browser so I can collect tips from visitors and share donations with publishers. Of course, that means I now have my own referral link, so sign up early and often (I also take tips in doughnuts, which are not a form of crypto but actual pastries). You'll find lots more inspiration below. 

Does blockchain still matter for marketing? Will it? How? When? Why? Let’s turn to Jeremy, with some excerpts edited for clarity, grammar, and length.

David Berkowitz: Jeremy, please introduce yourself.

Jeremy Epstein: I'm honored and excited to be here. I’ve spent most of my career trying to understand emerging technologies before they jump the chasm into the mainstream. I had a startup (think TaskRabbit, but WAY too early), did 6 years at Microsoft, and started Never Stop Marketing to help large brands understand social media (this was in 2008). Then, in 2012, I joined Sprinklr as VP of Marketing where I was until mid/late 2016. Since then, I’ve been “all in” on blockchain/crypto.

DB: So what got you into blockchain/crypto in the first place? Did you have some kind of lightbulb moment?

JE: I bought about $1k worth of Bitcoin in 2013, thanks to the recommendation of Fred Wilson’s blog, but I didn’t really think much about it for a while.

DB: And then you bought a small island.

JE: Ha, I wish. I sold most of it when it doubled soon thereafter and then only had “dust” BTC [Bitcoin] after. Anyway, I ad these Bitcoin and thought, "WTF are these things anyway?” I started reading everything I could on blockchain, crypto, game theory, mechanism design, consensus algorithms, and well…as they say in crypto, “I fell down the rabbit hole.” There was one moment, however, which I can still remember…

DB: I feel like we should have Hans Zimmer scoring this.

JE: I was on my couch, and I just kind of sat up and said, out loud -- no joke, “HOLY SHIT! This thing is a tsunami of disruption and basically no one knows it is coming.”

DB: Okay, so you were on your couch island and realized no one was doing anything about this. What's the first thing you did?

JE: You're like a marketing version of Jimmy Kimmel. The way that I try to get my head around an idea is by blogging it. I blog 5 days per week (#plug I call it my “workshop” and I just wrestle with the ideas there. So, if you go back to that timeframe, you’ll see that I start blogging about crypto ALL the time. I kind of became obsessed with it, but the writing for me is the key.

Once I decided that crypto was the way to go, I pulled a page out of the Sprinklr marketing playbook and created a collaborative e-book called “Blockchains in the Mainstream” which had 33 of the biggest names in the industry talking about it. Keep in mind, this was summer 2016 when the price of Bitcoin (that’s my reference for a lot of things these days) was about $600. 

[Editor: As I write this, it's about $8,700, which means it could be anywhere between $411 and $29,000 by the time this gets published.]

Vu Pham: What percentage of the blockchain applications that you see in the news do you think are legitimate uses for blockchain, versus people using blockchain just to have the buzzword?

JE: If you think about “blockchain” like you would the early days of the Internet, there are two ways that new “blockchain apps” will get implemented. The first is, "How can we use this new tech to do what we already do, but better, faster, cheaper?” This is like Intranet. So, you’ll see examples from Walmart, IBM, and some banks of using “blockchain” as a distributed ledger to keep track of supply chain, customs manifests, and much more…e.g., provenance of weed as it moves from grower to retailer. Those are nice and will reduce a lot of inefficiencies that come from having multiple systems of record that every organization has these days since there was (until this tech came along) a way to have consensus between multiple parties without a trusted intermediary before.

I don’t know how “real” those are. I’ve heard a lot. IBM suffers in this space from questions of credibility vis a vis HyperLedger (think Watson all over again). MSFT and others are doing some cool stuff, but I’d say these uses are more “business process optimization” than business model innovation. It's hard to say how advanced they are because I don’t spend a lot of time looking at them. Like the difference between Intranet and Internet, I think the sexy stuff is on the public Internet, or in this case, public blockchains where the real business model innovation is happening.

For example, you can take the USD in your savings account at Capital One (or whatever), and turn it 1:1 into USDC (a stablecoin) via for no fee. Then, you can deposit into a crypto-bank such as, dydx, dharma, or BlockFi for 3.97% [interest] because they don’t have the back-end requirements associated with guaranteeing trust. It’s orders of magnitude cheaper. BTW… This is NOT investment advice. Crypto is still risky. You are on your own (#disclaimer). I’m running a fund now for accredited investors in crypto as well, so I have to cover the bases.

DB: With this fund, what kinds of companies are you investing in?

JE: It’s not so much companies, it’s the tokens associated with protocols (which is the software that is used to run a decentralized network) and are the native payment mechanism for things like security and other services that ppl/computers provide.

DB: What's wowing you now with applications of blockchain for marketing?

JE: It’s been tough sledding on the blockchain+marketing side of the house for a while now. The theory behind the CMO Primer for the Blockchain World has been examined by many people, and we’ve seen tremendous growth in the Blockchain MarTech Landscape (ht: Scott Brinker) over the past few years from 22 to over 400. But we haven’t seen much traction in enterprises yet. Never Stop Marketing has done “Blockchain Immersion Days" for agencies and brands, so the interest is there and it’s growing, but it’s slow.

That being said, I think the big story of the space is the Brave browser. It's a privacy-first, ad-blocking browser that compensates you for looking at ads (in a Basic Attention Token or BAT) and which has a dramatically higher click-through rate than traditional ones. 

[Donny Dvorin, who worked with Jeremy and is now Head of Sales at Brave Software, said the browser now gets 11.5 monthly active users.]

DB: Is there any kind of threshold you see you need to hit for when you think Brave will make a real difference and hit some tipping point? 

Donny Dvorin: I think it’s about seeing 10% of US users using Brave is when marketers will really start paying attention in a big way. So if you think there are 250 million US adults in the US, that’s about 25 million users on Brave in the US. That’s the tipping point.  

JE: It’s actually cool… I have blog readers who use Brave because of the blog and then send me a tip as a verified publisher. Every month, I have earned BAT for the posts I put up. Not a lot, but great proof of concept. I think influencers/thought leaders will enjoy this…once the flywheel gets started, of course. Plus, readers who might otherwise be cut off from paywall content can make micro-BAT payments for access on an article basis (though that remains to be seen, of course). 

[Ed.: As noted above, he just influenced me. Also, while Brave has a waitlist of 12,000 advertisers, I've worked with them to get you fast-track access to run a test. Contact Donny at and mention Serial Marketer. This is not a sponsorship; I just liked that Donny was offering readers something of value.]

DB: Are you talking to CMOs much at all about blockchain these days?

JE: As much as I would like to, the answer is no, except for the stage I speak on at the Blockchain Research Institute annual convention. But that’s ok, I’ve spent enough time w/large enterprises to know that the innovators are the people in this group, at the edges who run the pilots. I saw that with the Internet and with social. I prefer spending my time with the CEOs and leaders of the protocols/tokens. Those are the folks literally inventing the future.

DD: I speak to a lot of CMO‘s now in my position as head of sales at Brave. And ironically Blockchain does not come up a lot. I would say the biggest trend right now is privacy and data regulation, which we spend a lot of time talking about.

DB: Jeremy, any last words on this?

JE: The arrival of public blockchain technology is the software that will “eat the world” of any business/organization that makes its living as a trust broker in one way or another because it reduces the “trust tax” by orders of magnitude. Three years ago, it was all promise. Today, there are actual products you can use that literally couldn’t exist then. Don’t dismiss it, even though it will take longer than I personally want. 


There's a lot more in the Slack channel, especially if you want to get into technical detail. Thanks to everyone who participated and made this conversation so much richer. As for Jeremy, beyond the plugs above, you can also find him on LinkedIn or Twitter

I hope to do more of these Q&As. Keep recommendations coming, and feel free to raise your own hand if you have ideas.

Meanwhile, stay tuned for next week when I roll out what I hope will become a new series as part of this newsletter. I banged out nine pages of a draft over the weekend, and I can't wait to start sharing it with you.

See you next week. In the meantime, what are you making of yourself?


PS: You might have noticed today that the subject line format changed, with the title of this edition before the issue number. Reader and former colleague Portia Steen made the suggestion. Let me know what you think, and I’ll keep an eye on the open rates too.

PS 2: There was a Rickroll in last week's news section. Let me know if you caught it. Hint: one of those podcast links wasn't real but may have sounded too plausible.


"I don't want to be the executive who spends the money. I want to find ways to be the money." What a great quote from Serial Marketers member Peter Weingard in the CMO Club's publication. There's more where that comes from.  

Hey, you know what? A round third-party cookie with one Safari browser taking a bite out of it looks like a C. A round cookie with one Firefox bite out of it also looks like a third-party cookie, but it's not as good as a cookie without the bites. Oh, and a browser as big as a moon took a bite out of the cookie, and since you can't eat the Chrome moon, then Chrome ate the third-party cookie. Sing it while you can, kids! C is for cookie!

I'll have more to say on this next week but am waiting to see if some press coverage hits where I shared what I hope are more coherent thoughts. Meanwhile, catch up via these links.
-Google's Project Chromium coverage  
-Ari Paparo of Beeswax in AdExchanger: 
-Digiday on the Winners and Losers:  
-Econsultancy on prepping for cookie data to be illegal 

John Koetsier finds out what makes TikTok -- no, I won't say it -- from USC professor Dr. Julie Albright.

Kudos to Andrew Rosen for his PARQOR LLC newsletter. If you're trying to make sense of the video-on-demand space, whether around subscriptions (SVOD) or advertising (AVOD), his newsletter somehow keeps getting better. See this latest example about NBCUniversal Media, LLC's Peacock, and subscribe for more.  

Do you have a podcast? Great! I love podcasts! I listen to all of them! (Well, mainly audiobooks, actually, but let's run with this.) This week, I get to share Dan Englander's podcast, where he usually gets excellent guests and sometimes gets me (just this once). True story: when I got the newsletter Dan sent out announcing the podcast, I wrote him back right away saying, "Do not believe a word this guy says. Your worst podcast yet." It gave him a jolt before he checked who the sender was. On the show, I talked about the 80/20 rule for fractional CMOs, when specialization matters, and ideal agency-brand interactions. You also get to look up my nose thanks to my questionable choice of camera angles. Dan's other guests are amazing, so check out the whole series and stay tuned for more greatness to come.


Want to include your event below? Just reply with the details.

Gotham has terrific events coming up that you should check out:

-January 23, 6:30pm: Health & Wellness Pitch Night
Please join us for a great evening of discussion and pitches from the world of HALO (Health, Active Lifestyle, Outdoor). HALO is now a $4.2 TRILLION dollar industry. Our panels of mentors, investors will discuss what they're doing in the market and then hear from a cross-section of vetted companies who will pitch to our audience in a "quick pitch" format.

-January 30, 6:30pm: Startup & Early Stage Shark Tank
Don't miss an evening of quick pitches by some of New York's most exciting startups and early stage companies as well as Gotham's Media's signature food and drinks. Join investors and seasoned entrepreneurs to learn what's hot and what's not in the City's vibrant startup community.

February 5, Royalton Park Avenue (29th St)
Serial Marketers has teamed up with First Wednesdays to bring back this long-standing tradition in NYC. Every month, we meet at the top-floor penthouse bar from 6-9. While Zack Rosenberg and Rachel Herskovitz post the event links on Facebook, if you want the recurring invite on your calendar, just let me know, and I'll add you to it. I'm also now sending updates via Meetup.

February 25
Hosted by SimilarWeb, they have some terrific speakers like my friend Kevin Lee of Did-It fame, and I'll be going to this one. Tickets are $60 until January 27, and then $100 after.  

(I'll have more updates on SXSW as we get closer.)
March 11, 2020
Austin, TX
Attention Designers! Place by Design is a pitch competition aimed at showcasing innovative and invigorating design in the public sphere. Urbanists, artists, architects, and designers have the opportunity to present their scalable solutions for improving our shared landscape.

Awards ceremony: March 27, 2020, in Venice, Italy
BOLD Awards recognizes top companies, projects and individuals powering breakthroughs around the world.

April 29-30
I loved this event so much in New York that I'm joining them in Chicago as both a speaker and media sponsor. I'll be speaking about how to build and run a successful B2B community, and of course I will be including examples from many others, with a bit of experience covering mistakes I've made that others can learn from.

May 13-14, 2020
"The premier global gathering in visual tech" is run by one of my favorite firms of any sort out there, LDV Capital. They specialize in bringing some of the best people together in all sorts of ways.


Reach out to me if you want introductions or any additional information, and let me know if you have other job postings you'd like to share. There have also been many job updates within the Slack community, so if you're part of that, be sure to check the #jobs channel for more. 

Senior Account Manager
Brooklyn, NY
Via my friend David Yarus. Let me know if you want me to refer you: "Looking for a rockstar client-service account lead for one of our core accounts. Ideally 6+ years agency CS experience, tired of the big agency world and seeking quality of life and work/life/vibe-alignment. Competitive comp. Need someone who loves owning the client relationship, understands digital / social / performance, and down with light team travel & WFH Wednesdays."

Director, Product Marketing
Senior Product Marketing Manager, Attribution
Foursquare has some exciting openings in New York. Check out the links, find Daniela in Slack, or let me know if you want an intro.

Content & Marketing Lead
This is a terrific role for someone with a job or two under their belt. The firm's terrific, and I can get relevant hires in front of them myself. "At LDV Capital we are searching for a Content & Marketing Lead to own content creation, strategy, planning and implementation. This is a great opportunity for a writer and content creator to join our growing early stage venture capital fund."

Senior Manager of Marketing Operations
I have a warm connection here. "This is an opportunity to help build and launch a new business within an already successful start-up. The Senior Manager of Marketing Operations will play an integral role on the truva marketing team. You will be responsible for establishing and managing the marketing technology stack, overseeing project management and facilitating alignment between Marketing and key internal stakeholders. You will also leverage analytics to help us optimize our approach throughout the customer lifecycle."

Social Media Managers (x4)
Yes, I know some folks there; as mentioned in Slack, they need four for a certain key account. "The Social Manager’s role is to define and execute the social media strategy for 360i brands across platforms. This person will lead all social media and advertising initiatives to increase overall engagement with the brand and brand positioning, driving social media strategies that fuel the business with best in class creative execution."

Director, E-Commerce - B2B Mobile
Ridgefield Park, NJ
My friend is the hiring lead, so I can refer you if this is relevant and interesting, and I also have a full job description that can be shared:
"The Director, eCommerce B2B Mobile (aka Head of eCommerce – B2B Mobile) will serve as a strategic-thinking, goal-driven head of merchandising, product, CRM, analytics/forecasting, social media management, affiliate/partnerships, and customer experience.  The Demand-Gen marketing team will provide customer insights/research, acquisition marketing content and media, and PR support. The Head of eCommerce – B2B Mobile will be responsible for building an ecommerce business within the B2B organization with external Samsung corporate support in the areas of web development and cart-checkout, fulfillment, and customer service."

Other job resources:
-Ad Ops Online: Job listings for ad operations, programmatic account management, sales operations, and more
-ExecThread: Senior roles spanning a range of verticals and cities; membership is free but fully vetted
-Facebook Groups: NYC Ad Jobs & Networking
-TechNY Daily: While more technical, there are also some sales and marketing jobs at NY startups
-VentureLoop: Free startup job listings; their paid option is $15/month and might surface more leads

Do you run or enjoy other job listing sites? Let me know, and I'll share them.


David Berkowitz, publisher


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